tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post4907713387882928913..comments2023-07-12T20:25:09.496+12:00Comments on mars 2 earth: namegamesMarty Marshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-7239511023804615302010-08-31T22:57:54.574+12:002010-08-31T22:57:54.574+12:00People tend to call things what they want. If the ...People tend to call things what they want. If the name's developed on its own, it's nearly always going to be meaningful to someone. The name doesn't change what something <em>is</em>, and things can have lots of names depending on whom you're speaking with. It could be my perspective speaking, but I don't have much problem with mountaineers making up their own names for things. They'll do so anyway, no matter what people tell them.<br /><br />If something doesn't have a name, and they need to refer to it, they'll make up a name so they can talk about it. Maybe it'll get a name of a person like "Jenny's Bluff" (eg. if it's a bluff where someone called Jenny fell off and died), or maybe they'll just call it something like "Cranky Knob" or "Deception Creek". Maybe it varies with locality, but frequently in New Zealand if people know of the Maori names, in the mountains I think they tend to use them. Mountaineers and trampers spend so much lives interacting with these places, they get very personal and they <em>need</em> names so they can talk about what they care about.<br /><br />Having said all of this, I can't understand the Hillary Ridge thing. It already has a name that people have used for ages---South Ridge. It's as if someone's decided "he's so great that we want to make it even more obvious, let's name a mountain feature after him". Then they've poked around until a "worthy" feature turned up with which he had an association. It's not getting a name change because it especially needed one, or because the people who have a close relationship with that ridge like to use that name. (Well, maybe they do and always have, but I didn't see any mention of it in that Herald article.)<br /><br />With enough nominations and support, the Geographic Board often stamps names on almost-anonymous features on maps that would barely be recognised, but trying to change the name of something that apparently already has a common name seems strange. If we're going to officially recognise names (useful for various reasons), it should be what things have been called in the past by people who care about them rather than simply trying to project something else onto a feature. If people start calling it something different, the official name(s) should be updated to reflect this.Mikehttp://www.windy.gen.nz/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-23075526886998890672010-08-12T22:50:40.706+12:002010-08-12T22:50:40.706+12:00I tautoko your comment Evelyn and i cannot underst...I tautoko your comment Evelyn and i cannot understand how this could even be an option on the shortlist, I believe Ta Tipene is still on the NZGB.Marty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-14552673670188833582010-08-12T10:14:41.771+12:002010-08-12T10:14:41.771+12:00Why would the 'South Ridge' have a separat...Why would the 'South Ridge' have a separate name at all. Aoraki is the tīpuna, it therefore follows that the 'shoulder' back, feet etc are all Aoraki. However, that is me thinking with my traditional hat on. I expect that European thinking will prevail and our world view will count for nought, again.<br /><br />PS I am not a noted scholar so I may well be out of sync with other Ngāi Tahu on this but this is the way that the late Kelly Davis-Te Maire thought of such mattersEvelyn Cooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-43146346313511263152010-08-06T18:29:43.104+12:002010-08-06T18:29:43.104+12:00No mike I'm not aware of the name of that ridg...No mike I'm not aware of the name of that ridge. I hope we can find a really great way to honour ed, I'm sure we can.Marty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-59810877354510268062010-08-06T16:14:32.751+12:002010-08-06T16:14:32.751+12:00Hi Marty. Do you know off-hand if the South Ridge...Hi Marty. Do you know off-hand if the South Ridge has a Maori name from the past and what it was? I've done some quick Googling and not found anything, probably because most people lately have referred to it as South Ridge.Mikehttp://www.windy.gen.nz/noreply@blogger.com