tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post3975168344349196119..comments2023-07-12T20:25:09.496+12:00Comments on mars 2 earth: Ngai Tahu electionsMarty Marshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-90216335887695277212009-10-27T07:57:13.647+13:002009-10-27T07:57:13.647+13:00Dear Richard,
I think you do a good job but I can...Dear Richard,<br /><br />I think you do a good job but I can't agree on two things. Your Board criteria seems to miss the point, just because someone has been convicted of anything does not mean they would be a poor Director. Just because they have been adjudged bankrupt does not mean they would be a poor Director. There are other means that would serve as better tools to weed out undesirables rather than a blanket classification. Under your system Te Whiti O Rongomai could not be a Director and neither could Donald Trump. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.<br /><br />You are not happy about some of the devious ways that people have operated in the past but how do you intend to address this? Strangely by operating deviously yourself. That is asking people to furnish you with information that you can use against these people. Further churning the dirt. <br /><br />Is there a better method than this to get the result you want? <br /><br /><br /><br />Kia KahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-11034108984543861712009-10-26T23:53:30.666+13:002009-10-26T23:53:30.666+13:00I agree "there is something unhealthy about a...I agree "there is something unhealthy about a former CEO (and indeed other recent employees)seeking election to TRONT. People seeking elections to the table with axes to grind at a personal level are not going to act in the best interests of us all" but what can be done. It's up to the papatipu and they are run by the bullies. Look at the problems in March 09, nothing really came out of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-2144635981188710272009-10-22T07:27:26.631+13:002009-10-22T07:27:26.631+13:00I am with you Marty - better to have a known "...I am with you Marty - better to have a known "sinner" than one who has yet to be caught or exposed. <br /><br />There is some standards Representatives must meet from a Trustee or Company director perspective and that is not unique to TRONT.<br /><br />There has been allegations that certain former employees, directors and contractors have been ripping us all off and no-one has provided us with answers - and now the allegations are that these same people are attempting to manipulate the elections and in some cases get themselves elected.<br /><br />I think there is something unhealthy about a former CEO (and indeed other recent employees)seeking election to TRONT. People seeking elections to the table with axes to grind at a personal level are not going to act in the best interests of us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-90322234241303237932009-10-21T20:28:13.228+13:002009-10-21T20:28:13.228+13:00I don't agree wtih doing all the checks on som...I don't agree wtih doing all the checks on someone who wants to stand. Let the person try to stand and convince others, their whanau, their friends to support them. People know what background, all the mistakes and brushes with the law, that they have had. And if they don't know then let the candidate tell them. If they hide - it will come out. I'd trust someone who has made mistakes and paid for them before someone who says that they haven't. Of course some mistakes are too much but the people will decide that. <br /><br />The key is too give people the ability to have an influence. At the moment there is little ability to create any effect.Marty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-48204559236390703992009-10-21T19:53:24.953+13:002009-10-21T19:53:24.953+13:00Kia ora koutou
To discuss democracy and iwi matte...Kia ora koutou<br /><br />To discuss democracy and iwi matters in the same breath seems to be looking for some answer not yet designed in any iwi forum.<br /><br />One persons democracy is another's tyranny - ever tried to work out how USA politics work? Here I think all we want is to have an open and transparent process. <br /><br />If there are folks who are trying to "game the system" then they need to be exposed. I don't see how we can avoid family relationships in these processes but if it is the case that the Chair ran the process and then put his or her name forward then that is not good. And having brothers, sisters and or father's in law has to be dodgy.<br /><br />As for who is engaged at the marae level, not that many members of NTW are. If Anon has something to say about Richard I don't get the point unless Richard has his name down to be a Rep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-81438595180692311892009-10-21T19:50:01.000+13:002009-10-21T19:50:01.000+13:00Kia ora koutou
I'm sensing the argument is he...Kia ora koutou<br /><br />I'm sensing the argument is heating up. <br /><br />Richard puts his name to his views and for that he deserves respect. We may or may not agree with his views and that is a different story. Richard has a comprehensive background on his blog. Good on him. There is no point going down that road. But by the same token, if points are made that allude to individuals and their backgrounds well, that then opens up the case for certain retaliation. <br /><br />But we have gone down this road in the past and it leads to the same place - nowwhere, except for us being weaker.<br /><br />Get angry, get emotional, get worked up - I do. And write down what you want but smack the argument out of the park - not your opponent. That way it's a double win!<br /><br />kia kahaMarty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-58352127804260974592009-10-21T18:14:11.424+13:002009-10-21T18:14:11.424+13:00Kia ora Marty, why is Richard advocating Ngai Tahu...Kia ora Marty, why is Richard advocating Ngai Tahu should be an Aryan race suggesting police checks! and what is he attempting to achieve.<br /><br />Is he an active marae person? <br /><br />To the sensible Tribal member he's nothing but a wining critic interfering in a process already democratically endorsed.<br /><br />It also appears to me that he waits to the process has been run then wines and criticizes that proper process.<br /><br />I actually inquired who he was today then alarmed that this guy was a failed company director referenced out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-89312145984131059402009-10-19T18:59:33.079+13:002009-10-19T18:59:33.079+13:00Marty
Have posted on my blog
www.ngaitahusharehold...Marty<br />Have posted on my blog<br />www.ngaitahushareholders.co.nz an initial view about how the elections are going on.<br /><br />One of the points I tried to include in the criteria for eligibility to be a Tront Representative - was that potential Representatives would not be eligible because of criminal records or "bankruptcy" or commercial incompetence- It never got any traction - perhaps because some sitting at the Tront table might have felt a little uncomfortable!<br /><br />My point in raising this is that a relation of mine moving to Australia and as is common, a police check is required.<br /><br />This is a very normal procedure that NT should adopt.<br /><br />I know that there are Tront Reps who have "records" and those who are putting themselves forward for election.<br /><br />My point is that we need to have Tront Representatives with an unblemished background- Ngai Tahu Shareholders deserve it.<br /><br />Any pointers to those who might not be eligible to the above - send me an email at paratas@xtra.co.nz. Nothing frivolous-I need evidence. Confidentially assured.<br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-216703782413338932009-10-19T15:54:02.652+13:002009-10-19T15:54:02.652+13:00Kia ora anon
Yes when members register they indic...Kia ora anon<br /><br />Yes when members register they indicate the tupuna that they whakapapa to and thus their papatipu runaka. But why do they have to do that twice? If it has already been done, why ask for it to be done again? The reason is that the lists held within TRONT are different from the lists held at each runaka. That is not the way it should be. <br /><br />The changes in kaumatua being listed as tupuna in each runaka have occured up to present day. i rang one of my runaka and after chatting to the contact person they indicated that this exact thing had occured to them, recently and they were very unhappy about it... as you would be.<br /><br />We have approximately 43,000 registered Ngai Tahu. How many eligible voters will vote? How many voted for the putea?<br /><br />Let's really crank up this discussion. I'll give it a day or so before I send an email to each runaka :)Marty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7340901893892759228.post-50471983240963913442009-10-19T13:58:35.668+13:002009-10-19T13:58:35.668+13:00Kia ora Marty
Now this is a discussion worth havi...Kia ora Marty<br /><br />Now this is a discussion worth having. There is a couple of points I would make. The first is that members have to both register and establish which Papatipu Runanga they belong to - that is their duty.<br /><br />The changes in kaumatua names linked to Papatipu Runanga is only a concern because it was being carried out in secret while Tahu was in charge. Good on TRoNT for putting the lists up. I think the Papatipu Runanga have to take responsibility for the lists and answer to their members and the internet is one way to do this.<br /><br />The greatest challenge to the iwi is the apathy. However, I see that over 20% of Papaptipu Runanga members have participated when given the chance to do so. This compares favorably to local body election participation.<br /><br />Interesting information re Waewae. It is funny that the folks of Tuahiwi have not complained about that. <br /><br />At the local level I know my runanga got lots of support from TRONT. I think it is okay that each PR has a process of its own as long as it is not a sham.<br /><br />I don't know how these characters think they will be seen as legitimate and I agree with anon (1) that people like Edward would be more careful.<br /><br />kia kaha <br />na HoaniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com